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James
Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 3:43 pm Reply with quote
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Imogen has a general policy of allowing point and shoot/compact cameras to be used at shows, however SLR, DSLR and cameras with detachable lenses are not allowed.


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adamtce
Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 5:59 pm Reply with quote
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thats disappointing.
I hate the shit quality pictures that come from point and shoots.
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James
Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 6:03 pm Reply with quote
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adamtce wrote:
thats disappointing.
I hate the shit quality pictures that come from point and shoots.


Well, you can get some pretty great quality photos from even a 5 or 6 MP camera these days!

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Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 2:10 am Reply with quote
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Here's a highly relevant Cnet article on this very topic. The author notes that even point-and-shoots can get good concert shots.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13772_3-10392935-52.html
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Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 2:40 am Reply with quote
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There are only a select few digicams with the ability to record concert photographs with any degree of perfection. It's nice to know that we're allowed to bring DSLRs to the concert...but why?

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Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 2:53 am Reply with quote
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thats a bit crap, and would certainly put me off going, if artists don't want to be presented in the best light possible, theres something wrong.

If its to protect professional photographers at the venue, shouldn't they be confident in their ability to get shots better than the average joe? since when did a camera make a photographer?

also a compact camera is far more likely to be able to shoot video than a DSLR (now at an extremely high quality audio and video rate)

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Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 3:05 am Reply with quote
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That's a really huge bummer.


I'm not gonna break out my pitchforks or anything, but it would be lovely to take photos of the concert. A DSLR is all I own, and concert photography is something I (and i'm sure, many others) love to do.
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Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 3:49 am Reply with quote
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i would assume because if anything were to happen to such property, the dslrs and slrs can be thousands of dollars, while digitals go for nothing and aren't worth suing -if some idiot actuall tried suing-
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Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 5:50 pm Reply with quote
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This does really suck But there isnt much that can be done.

I just need to find a good point and shoot camera, I dont think I even have one.

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Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 10:15 pm Reply with quote
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WHY CANT SOME PEOPLE JUST BE HAPPY THAT YOU CAN EVEN HAVE A CAMERA???? Most people just say no and She is being nice enough to allow them Smile and I THANK her for that Smile
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James
Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 10:04 pm Reply with quote
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I'm quite surprised at people's reactions here - this is a fairly standard camera policy (pretty much what the majority of artists say - in fact read that cnet article!). If anything I thought people would be pleased we're being open and up front about it?

I realise why this is disappointing for photography buffs - but unfortunately if you allow people into concerts with pro gear before long those photos (and video) are being sold on ebay and similar places - Imogen has no say in the quality of these images (which represent her), nor does she get to approve them - she could look awful and think how you would feel if someone was selling photos of you where you thought you looked awful AND they were making money from this and you weren't?

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Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 10:15 pm Reply with quote
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I wish there was some kind of wavier "we" could sign or agree that the pictures are only intended for personal collect and won't be sold in anyway. main reason i want to bring mine is to get a good picture of myself & immi.

i suspected that was part of the reason why the high end camera's weren't allowed.
but either way im just really happy ill get to see (it'll be my first time), and on the plus side ill actually enjoy the show rather than try and take a "good shot."
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Judsoncollier
Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 3:24 am Reply with quote
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James wrote:
I'm quite surprised at people's reactions here - this is a fairly standard camera policy (pretty much what the majority of artists say - in fact read that cnet article!). If anything I thought people would be pleased we're being open and up front about it?

I realise why this is disappointing for photography buffs - but unfortunately if you allow people into concerts with pro gear before long those photos (and video) are being sold on ebay and similar places - Imogen has no say in the quality of these images (which represent her), nor does she get to approve them - she could look awful and think how you would feel if someone was selling photos of you where you thought you looked awful AND they were making money from this and you weren't?


(You'll probably only find the camera buffs being the only ones interested in commenting).

It is a pretty standard policy, but from someone who does a lot of open work with art (i.e. remixing etc), it's kind of surprising.

I understand protecting the idea of stuff being sold though. It sucks, though, because most of us aren't in it for that, yeh know? But I understand there's no way to filter that out.


(that said, I'm unfortunately out of range for all of the performances so far, so I shouldn't talk).
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James
Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:53 am Reply with quote
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Judsoncollier wrote:
It sucks, though, because most of us aren't in it for that, yeh know? But I understand there's no way to filter that out.


Yes, unfortunately it's a case of the minority spoiling things for the majority Sad

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bensmithson
Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 4:26 pm Reply with quote
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So I have a camera (Canon Vixia HF 10) that takes photos and videos. What's the policy? (I'm a student, just documenting my life here...)
Thanks!
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JosephBayot
Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 8:24 am Reply with quote
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Found out about this policy firsthand today at Webster Hall. I was in the very front against the stage with my DLSR. Midway through Immi's set, an employee approaches and politely warns me that if I take another picture, he will have to escort me out. I missed a lot of good shots, but I was too busy enjoying the show to care tooo much. =)

At least I can say that Immi saw me with my big camera and even posed for a shot! So, I can't be too angry about the policy. =P
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Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 4:20 pm Reply with quote
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JosephBayot wrote:
Found out about this policy firsthand today at Webster Hall. I was in the very front against the stage with my DLSR. Midway through Immi's set, an employee approaches and politely warns me that if I take another picture, he will have to escort me out. I missed a lot of good shots, but I was too busy enjoying the show to care tooo much. =)

At least I can say that Immi saw me with my big camera and even posed for a shot! So, I can't be too angry about the policy. =P


:/ i can't believe they told you on the middle of the show :/ i was taking pictures like crazy and they just waved hands Rolling Eyes i never saw them Rolling Eyes

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Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 5:27 pm Reply with quote
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xelwooodx wrote:

:/ i can't believe they told you on the middle of the show :/ i was taking pictures like crazy and they just waved hands Rolling Eyes i never saw them Rolling Eyes


It was actually in the middle of a SONG no less =P The employee was making his way around, telling everyone with a dslr about the policy. If he waited until songs finished, he wouldn't have gotten around to everyone.
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Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 11:31 pm Reply with quote
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JaggedAlanisM wrote:
WHY CANT SOME PEOPLE JUST BE HAPPY THAT YOU CAN EVEN HAVE A CAMERA???? Most people just say no and She is being nice enough to allow them Smile and I THANK her for that Smile


Agreed.
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Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 11:41 pm Reply with quote
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JosephBayot wrote:
Found out about this policy firsthand today at Webster Hall. I was in the very front against the stage with my DLSR. Midway through Immi's set, an employee approaches and politely warns me that if I take another picture, he will have to escort me out. I missed a lot of good shots, but I was too busy enjoying the show to care tooo much. =)

At least I can say that Immi saw me with my big camera and even posed for a shot! So, I can't be too angry about the policy. =P


wow - the venue i went to didn't care at all about the policy one of the employee's even help try and get some good shots
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NatalieMichelle
Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 2:48 pm Reply with quote
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Hi there I am a little confused about the policy..

It seems for some people Imogen did not mind the digital SLR's but the employees of the venue did? Does this mean I need to check with the venue I am going to? I am going to a club in Germany and am unsure if they are strict about this but for my AS photography course I have mentioned that I would like to borrow my teacher's digital SLR for the gig and may even be able to use photographs for my exam but if i am not allowed my plan goes to poo and I will have to think of something else hmmm.

So do I need to find out or will I definately be asked to leave if I try to take photographs with it? I don't want them to confiscate it or anything, i'd be dead haha Shocked
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TBTS
Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 3:35 pm Reply with quote
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people sell pictures of artists in concert in ebay, and people really buy them??
I find it hard to believe that they actually have any value.

If this was the case, then surely the best way to discourage this, is to allow DSLR's, as there will be more people taking pics, the chances of anyone having a 'valuable' shot is far lower, as saturation lowers prices.

personally i think compacts which record video are a much bigger 'threat'

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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 4:29 am Reply with quote
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As James said, it's pretty standard for artists and management to ban SLR cameras from gigs.

I didn't know this until I went to an outdoor Paul Weller gig just after getting my first DSLR, I was told I couldn't bring the camera in. Luckily I'd driven to the gig and could leave the camera (hidden) in the car.

DSLR's are seen as 'professional' cameras. Even with the lowest-spec SLR camera, if you have a decent lens, you can take pro shots at gigs. Artists don't want pro photographers coming to gigs to get shots to sell. They want people to come to gigs for the music and the experience. You can't ban cameras completely, because you'd have to body-search everyone coming in, and you'd have to ban mobile phones too. So 'non-pro' cameras are allowed in.

As a keen photographer, I'd love to take some shots of Imogen and also the crowd at a gig, and I might do so with a point and squirt camera. But I understand and agree with not being allowed a DSLR into the venue.

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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 11:48 am Reply with quote
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Just out of curiosity James... what about Bridge cameras? lol. It's a bit late but had considered bringing my Fuji S5700 (i think that's what it is!) but had decided not to due to camera's at concerts are always a tough one. Cause it's a bridge it can take amazing photos but it has no detachable lense, is not a SLR... so would that be acceptable at an immi gig?


It's a fair enough camera policy though - seems standard. Although selling of concert photos really isn't that common in my experience. It's the bootlegs and rares that you have to look out for!

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ramius
Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 5:08 am Reply with quote
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The rule is pretty 'meh'.

I understand the policy of not wanting people to sell photos of Immi online for profit, just ruins it for the rest of us.

The first thing as a performer I'd worry about stupid flashes going off right in my face. I'd *prefer* dSLRs over point&shoots with the understanding that there's NO flash involved.

Still excited to see Immi once again, though. Smile
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